[denis]

soweit ich verstanden habe, soll ja Demokratie kufr sein bzw. ein Taghut-System.

Kann mir mal jemand in paar Sätzen erklären warum das so ist.

Ich hatte mal darüber nachgelesen und da hatte jemand auch die Sure Yusuf Vers 40 vom Quran (Koran) gebracht.

:jazak:

[Mumina Batina]

As selamu aleikum,

diese Frage würde mich auch sehr interessieren.
Habe zwar noch nie soetwas vernommen, aber dennoch würde es mich mal interessieren ob dem so ist und wenn ja, warum?

waselam :)

[Saifullah]

Was wäre denn, wenn die Demokratie vom Islam kämen würde?

[Songül]

aber Sura 18/26 sagt es ja auch? "und Er teilt Seine Befehlsgewalt mit keinem."

[Abu Roumayssa]

Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullah,

jede menschengemachte Gesetzgebung ist eine Kufr Gestzgebung ob Demokratie oder Kommunismus usw.

Die Gesetzgebung gehört nur Allah allein er alleine darf bestimmen was erlaubt ist und was unerlaubt ist. Dies bedeutet aber nicht das wir hier in Deutschland versuchen die Gesetzgebung zu ändern oder ähnliches (wie es oft den Muslimen vorgeworfen wird).

Muhammad ibn Abulwahab rah erwähnt es in seinem Buch "Nawaqidul Islam"

4 . Jeder der eine andere Führung als besser, oder gleichwertig mit der des Propheten (sallallahu alaihi was sallam) ansieht. Das gilt für diejenigen, welche die üble Gesetzgebung des Taghut, der Gesetzgebung des Propheten vorzieht. Einige Beispiele dazu sind:

-Zu glauben, dass Systeme oder Gesetze die von Menschen erdacht wurden, besser als die Schariah (göttliche Gesetzgebung) sind, zum Beispiel, dass die islamische Gesetzgebung nicht in das 21.Jahrhundert passt. Das der Islam ein Grund der Rückständigkeit der Muslime ist. Oder das al-Islam nur eine Verbindung zwischen Allah und dem Menschen ist (d.h. Dass Islam nur Privatsache ist). Und dass er (der Islam) nicht in andere Aspekte des Lebens eingreifen sollte.

-Zu sagen, dass die Strafen die Allah bestimmte, wie abschneiden der Hand eines Diebes, oder Steinigung des Ehebrechers, nicht passend sei in der modernen Zeit.

-Zu glauben, dass es erlaubt sei, mit etwas anderem zu urteilen als das was Allah offenbarte, wenn es um islamische Angelegenheiten, oder Gesetze, oder andere Angelegenheiten geht. Man darf nicht denken, dass solche Dinge besser als die Schariah sind. Das wäre der Fall, wenn man eine Sache, die Allah verboten hat billigt, wie Alkohol trinken, Unzucht und Ehebruch begehen oder Zinsen nehmen.

Deshalb sollte man sich mit den Büchern der Gelehrten der Ahlul Sunnah und vor allem benutzt bitte die Suchfunktion barackallahu fikum.

[Umar ibn Al Khattab]

Könnt ihr englisch? Dann könnte ich eine Fatwa posten

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Ich poste es einfach mal:

What is the ruling on democracy and taking a leadership role in parliment or other levels of the democratical government? What is the ruling regarding voting for someone in democracy? How was the islamic state organized, and governed in the classical times?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]

“The decision is only for Allaah”

[al-An’aam 6:57]

End quote.

This has been discussed in detail in the answer to question no. 98134.

Secondly:

The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that.

Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on elections, and he replied: I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah. End quote.

From Liqaa’aat al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 210

http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/sound/ar...6230.shtml

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

Is it permissible to vote in elections and nominate people for them? Please note that our country is ruled according to something other than that which Allaah revealed?

They replied:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (23/406, 407

They were also asked:

As you know, here in Algeria we have what are called legislative elections. There are parties which call for Islamic rule, and there are others that do not want Islamic rule. What is the ruling on one who votes for something other than Islamic rule even though he prays?

They replied:

The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or close friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:57]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/373).What is the ruling on democracy and taking a leadership role in parliment or other levels of the democratical government? What is the ruling regarding voting for someone in democracy? How was the islamic state organized, and governed in the classical times?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]

“The decision is only for Allaah”

[al-An’aam 6:57]

End quote.

This has been discussed in detail in the answer to question no. 98134.

Secondly:

The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that.

Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on elections, and he replied: I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah. End quote.

From Liqaa’aat al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 210

http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/sound/ar...6230.shtml

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

Is it permissible to vote in elections and nominate people for them? Please note that our country is ruled according to something other than that which Allaah revealed?

They replied:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (23/406, 407

They were also asked:

As you know, here in Algeria we have what are called legislative elections. There are parties which call for Islamic rule, and there are others that do not want Islamic rule. What is the ruling on one who votes for something other than Islamic rule even though he prays?

They replied:

The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or close friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:57]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/373).

[Ibn Suleyman]

Assalamu aleikum

1. Barakallahu fiek Abu Roumaysa, aber das muss mit Erklärung hin, ansonsten könnte man in die Irre gehen wie die Chawaridsch/Takfiris!
Man muss aber immer schauen, warum die Führer oder Richter mit etwas anderem Herrscher außer das was Allah sandte. Dann gibts da aber noch eine Sache, manchmal gibts Themen, die nicht deutlich erklärt wurde und deswegen brauchen sie ein Urteil, sowie eine Fatwa die es damals nicht gab - hat man dann mit etwas anderem geurteilt als das was Allah und sein Gesandter wollte? NEIN . diese thema braucht echt viel wissen, man sollte solche fragen nicht einfach stellen und einfach beantworten.

2. Lieber Umar das bringt leider nichts die Fatwa, weil die meisten nicht so gut oder kein English verstehen. Deswegen lieber Bruder übersetze es doch und dann hast du auch hasanaat und andere profitieren davon.

Außerdem ich gebe in einem den Deutschen Recht, wenn jemand Deutschland nicht passt soll er gehen. Wenn er nicht klar kommt mit der Demokratie, dann bitte geht doch in eine islamisches Land. Und wallahi das wäre besser für dei meisten von ihnen.

Möge Allah uns vor der Fitna bewahren

[Songül]

da gebe ich Dir Recht Akhi. Gerade dieses Thema. Es ist keineswegs in zwei Sätzen erklärt/gelernt. Und wer damit in Deutschland oder anderen Ländern nicht klar kommt, sollte weg!

[Umm Abderrahman]

das nicht akzeptieren für jeden im herzen ist wichtig und wenn ihr hier lebt denkt an eure aufrichtige absicht und nicht an die absicht mit nafs inschallah
aber es gibt auch geschwister die können gar nicht deutschland verlassen aus welchem grund auch immer.
nicht jeder ist ein glückspilz und ist mit einem islamischen vaterland geboren oder besitzt ein richtigen pass.
daher ist es geraade auch für diese geschwister wichtig dua zu machen und sich zu gedulden bis allah swt einen ausweg gibt.
ich stimme dem bruder zu wir leben hier und müssen schauen das wir das beste aus dem zeit in deutschland raus holen so weit es geht um allahs wohlgefallen zu erlangen.
inschallah schliesen wir das hier den alles ist gesagt worden man muss nicht dan ganzen tag um den heisen brei reden.

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